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NPeth
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Re: our project

Postby NPeth » 04 Feb 2013, 15:08

Looking very good indeed Peter 8-)

piquet95971
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Re: our project

Postby piquet95971 » 04 Feb 2013, 19:39

Thanks Nick.
Now to find someone that can match a tint and I will be away again.
Today, I spent time with our friends at Centrrelink trying to sort out my daughters payments while she is in Sydney finishing her University course. What a pain in the you know what.
All I did was strip off another plank and try and find the right stain. The stain that I had made up yesterday was not right so I will try somewhere else tomorrow.

Any suggestions as to who can do it properly?
All the colour cards seem to say that the mahogany is correct but looking at it its too brown when applied to Pacific Maple which is a pinkish timber to start with.

Just have to find someone that knows what they are doing.

cheers
peter

screwit
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Re: our project

Postby screwit » 04 Feb 2013, 20:46

Most of the stains are mixed for pine or something light in colour.
You may need to mix some rosewood with it to get the red tinge you need .
Ross

piquet95971
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Re: our project

Postby piquet95971 » 04 Feb 2013, 21:57

Thankyou for that hint.

The bottom of the boat looks like it is almost rosewood that changes to red on the side of the boat. I may get some rosewood and experiment with some mahogany and rosewood mixed and see what happens.

Again thanks
Peter

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Re: our project

Postby piquet95971 » 05 Feb 2013, 18:19

Well looks like we may have managed to get a stain that is very close. As close as damn is to swearing as the saying goes!

I was given some F&W Red stain (125 ml) and in to it I gradually added F&W Jarrah in stages of 1/4, then 1/2 and finally a full small bottle of the Jarrah stain.

The photograph of the three samples was a good way to choose as by eye they all looked reasonably similar. But as soon as they were visible on a good computer screen it was obvious.

Now let's see if the stain that I bought can be returned, probably not.

Will put a coat on a larger sample and see how it looks before I go to the extent of applying it to the boat.

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Re: our project

Postby piquet95971 » 05 Feb 2013, 20:01

Large section done with the stain and one coat of varnish on a trial section on the full strength. The full strength looks to be dark so the decision is to go for half strength.

Will do another large sample spot and see how that looks.
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Re: our project

Postby piquet95971 » 07 Feb 2013, 12:10

Too Hot for work so came home and put the stain on the two starboard planks. WOW it is almost impossible to pick it from the original stain.

I am so much happier with doing the extra work in stripping the old varnish and getting rid of as much of the wrong stain as possible to reveal what I now have. And if I'm happy then it should stack up really good when the assembled multitudes of the CAWPBA membership pass their scrutiny over the completed or near completed boat.

So I am now a Happy Camper. Just have topwait till the weather cools down a bit this arvo and whack a coat of Varnish on these two planks.
Then go to the other side and finish removing the old stain and varnish off those two planks and we are then ready to rock and roll. with all the finishing of the bottom of the boat.

I am assuming that about 6 coats of varnish sanded off between coats is sufficient?

piquet95971
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Re: our project

Postby piquet95971 » 07 Feb 2013, 18:50

So for all those interested in what the stains used for a lot of the boats that were built in the 1960's was probably a spirit stain.

These really penetrate into the grain of the timber.

I have spoken to a person today that has been in the paint industry for the best part of thirty to forty years and in his opinion the stains were probably based on a red base. Then various % of darker colours such as Mahogany or in my case Jarrah.

Adding the Jarrah toned down the brightness of the red and was just the right mix to match what was on the boat already.

So the formula for my boat was 250ml of F/W Red tint and 125ml of F/W Jarrah.

I am not sure where one would get the Red tint base but I have a spare bottle of the red tint if anyone needs it. It was given to me so it's free if anyone can use it.

Cheers
Peter

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Re: our project

Postby piquet95971 » 08 Feb 2013, 21:36

Yesterday I spent the afternoon completing the stripping off the last pank and applied two coats of the stain to the two planks on each side of the boat.

Without the varnish on them the colour looked like an almost perfect match.
Today after finishing work early cause I started really early to beat the expected heat I was able to apply two coats of varnish to the planks.

I am impressed with the gloss levels from the Norglass Polyurethane varnish. It brushes out easily and looks really good.
Quite a bit easier to use than the F/W spar varnish.

Tomorrow I will get the blower out get rid of all the leaves and dust out of the carport then start to rub down the port side of the boat after I caulk the garboard seam and get a coat of varnish on the port side which will bring it up to the same number of coats as the stbd side.
The depending what the social secretary as planned for Sunday I will rub the whole boat back and put the first of another six coats of varnish on the outside of the hull.

Pictures of the latest progress will be added tomorrow

Cheers
Peter
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Re: our project

Postby piquet95971 » 10 Feb 2013, 06:47

I actually achieved what I wanted yesterday which is unusual in this sort of work.

I can now see some light at the end of the tunnel. I can't wait to roll this thing over and to start on the deck and the interior. But mustn't rush the outside of the hull.

Some rain this morning so may just start to get other things ready.
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